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	<title>Comments on: More on User Stories</title>
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		<title>By: JB</title>
		<link>http://jonathanbabcock.com/2008/05/07/more-on-user-stories/#comment-790</link>
		<dc:creator>JB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 May 2008 01:45:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I hear you, Bill. What I liked about Cohn's approach is the simple format of user + goal + value. This is certainly arguable, but to me it seems like a more readable format from a user or business stakeholder's perspective than a page of use case bubbles or "user shall be able to" statements. 

With one of my most recent projects I brought a small list of some of the more obvious stories to an elicitation session. I used it to describe to the interviewee what I was looking for in terms of user requirements, and it seemed to work well enough. We were able to identify several more scenarios or stories using that format.

That said, after I finished the elicitation session I just took those stories and transferred them to use case format anyway. 

My takeaway after the trial run is this - If I don't continue to use the story format, I know that I'll at least continue to emphasize the statement of value with each requirement more than I have in the past. Requiring the statement of value seemed to keep my subject thinking in terms of the value-add instead of just rattling off neat-to-have features.

Now, we have a somewhat iterative approach to development in my shop, but not agile by even by the loosest of definitions. That said, I suppose these stories hold up well enough as an elicitation tool in any  methodology - even if not used in alignment with the intent of the agile purist.

Like you said, bottom line is it's just another tool in my toolbox.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I hear you, Bill. What I liked about Cohn&#8217;s approach is the simple format of user + goal + value. This is certainly arguable, but to me it seems like a more readable format from a user or business stakeholder&#8217;s perspective than a page of use case bubbles or &#8220;user shall be able to&#8221; statements. </p>
<p>With one of my most recent projects I brought a small list of some of the more obvious stories to an elicitation session. I used it to describe to the interviewee what I was looking for in terms of user requirements, and it seemed to work well enough. We were able to identify several more scenarios or stories using that format.</p>
<p>That said, after I finished the elicitation session I just took those stories and transferred them to use case format anyway. </p>
<p>My takeaway after the trial run is this - If I don&#8217;t continue to use the story format, I know that I&#8217;ll at least continue to emphasize the statement of value with each requirement more than I have in the past. Requiring the statement of value seemed to keep my subject thinking in terms of the value-add instead of just rattling off neat-to-have features.</p>
<p>Now, we have a somewhat iterative approach to development in my shop, but not agile by even by the loosest of definitions. That said, I suppose these stories hold up well enough as an elicitation tool in any  methodology - even if not used in alignment with the intent of the agile purist.</p>
<p>Like you said, bottom line is it&#8217;s just another tool in my toolbox.</p>
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		<title>By: Bill</title>
		<link>http://jonathanbabcock.com/2008/05/07/more-on-user-stories/#comment-774</link>
		<dc:creator>Bill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 May 2008 04:13:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Any methodology that can help arrive at better requirements should be a tool in the BA arsenal, but I get a little leary when a practice such as requirements elicitation cannot stand on it's own and requires the broader development methodology to be successful. So if the only way user stories works is in the context of the broader Agile practices, I'm leary.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Any methodology that can help arrive at better requirements should be a tool in the BA arsenal, but I get a little leary when a practice such as requirements elicitation cannot stand on it&#8217;s own and requires the broader development methodology to be successful. So if the only way user stories works is in the context of the broader Agile practices, I&#8217;m leary.</p>
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		<title>By: JB</title>
		<link>http://jonathanbabcock.com/2008/05/07/more-on-user-stories/#comment-770</link>
		<dc:creator>JB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 May 2008 18:53:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks, Mike. I'll look forward to hearing from you more in the future. I checked out your blog, too. Lots of good stuff on accounting there.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks, Mike. I&#8217;ll look forward to hearing from you more in the future. I checked out your blog, too. Lots of good stuff on accounting there.</p>
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		<title>By: JB</title>
		<link>http://jonathanbabcock.com/2008/05/07/more-on-user-stories/#comment-769</link>
		<dc:creator>JB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 May 2008 01:07:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for responding and for the good information, Prashant. By the way, I've subscribed to your feed and look forward to more good information from you on agile analysis.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for responding and for the good information, Prashant. By the way, I&#8217;ve subscribed to your feed and look forward to more good information from you on agile analysis.</p>
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		<title>By: Prashant</title>
		<link>http://jonathanbabcock.com/2008/05/07/more-on-user-stories/#comment-768</link>
		<dc:creator>Prashant</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 May 2008 22:38:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>User stories allow the developers to defer decision making on the finer details. Developing things incrementally helps the user see what is being built and can ask for what they need rather than what they think they need. When writing a huge specification or running exhaustive workshops, we easily forget that the users/customers dont always know what they want. By deferring the decisions on such requirements, we are freeing up the users to focus on getting business value rather than completing a specification</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>User stories allow the developers to defer decision making on the finer details. Developing things incrementally helps the user see what is being built and can ask for what they need rather than what they think they need. When writing a huge specification or running exhaustive workshops, we easily forget that the users/customers dont always know what they want. By deferring the decisions on such requirements, we are freeing up the users to focus on getting business value rather than completing a specification</p>
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		<title>By: Mike Harmon</title>
		<link>http://jonathanbabcock.com/2008/05/07/more-on-user-stories/#comment-762</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike Harmon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 May 2008 03:52:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I came across your blog on Technorati.  Nice site layout.  I will stop by and read more soon.

Mike Harmon</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I came across your blog on Technorati.  Nice site layout.  I will stop by and read more soon.</p>
<p>Mike Harmon</p>
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